Theoretical Welsh Network

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Theoretical Welsh Network

Postby spencer pugh » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:42 pm

Since retiring, my hobby has been to try to produce a theoretical railway network for the whole of Wales, based upon the use and re-use of existing and disused lines. I attach a copy of my work to date (together with a few tongue-in-cheek route changes of my own!).
As I am an overseas member I have limited opportunities to meet and exchange ideas with other enthusiasts or to undertake field studies. My work has therefore been based almost entirely on books and information available on the internet.
I hope that some members may find the results of my hobby interesting, and I welcome comments and suggestions for correction or improvement.
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Re: Theoretical Welsh Network

Postby Newport_rod » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:16 pm

An interesting idea Spencer - thanks for sharing it.

I was surprised to see that you didn't include the extant B&MR between Bassaleg and Machen, or even revive the B&M through to Caerffili or Dowlais. And are you proposing a bridge over or a tunnel under the Cleddau to connect Pembroke Dock and Neyland?

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Re: Theoretical Welsh Network

Postby Angus » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:23 pm

Great fun, anyway! I'm glad to see Red Wharf Bay in the network, for example.

In the south-east, I'd be inclined to re-re-name Talyllyn Junction from Brecon (Talyllyn) to Brecon Parkway and I'd love to be sent a postcard showing a modern high speed diesel crossing a rebuilt Brecon viaduct en route to Cradoc and all stations west. A "tilting train" would be the ideal on that route.

My greatest pleasure, however, is the revival of the "Vale of Crickhowell Railway" as a major route link.

A delightful pipedream, but,alas, about 150 years too late.
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Re: Theoretical Welsh Network

Postby spencer pugh » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:37 am

I was surprised to see that you didn't include the extant B&MR between Bassaleg and Machen, or even revive the B&M through to Caerffili or Dowlais. And are you proposing a bridge over or a tunnel under the Cleddau to connect Pembroke Dock and Neyland?


Rod,
With regard to the B+MR and B+M it's a challenge to fit all of these SW valleys into the diagram and still keep it at a reasonable size! I'll keep trying!
I was under the impression that there was once a rail bridge connecting Pembroke Dock and Neyland. Does anyone have any information that I can tap into?

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Re: Theoretical Welsh Network

Postby spencer pugh » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:42 am

Angus Wrote:- My greatest pleasure, however, is the revival of the "Vale of Crickhowell Railway" as a major route link.


Angus,

Can you point me in the direction of any information on the Vale of Crickhowell Railway. And be strong - it's never too late!

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Re: Theoretical Welsh Network

Postby Newport_rod » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:56 pm

spencer pugh wrote:

I was under the impression that there was once a rail bridge connecting Pembroke Dock and Neyland.

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There was a ferry service between the two towns from 1858 to 1975, when it was superseded by the current road bridge, but never a rail connection.
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Re: Theoretical Welsh Network

Postby Noel » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:48 pm

spencer pugh wrote:Can you point me in the direction of any information on the Vale of Crickhowell Railway.


If you put Vale of Crickhowell Railway into your favoured search engine you will get a few references to the archives which hold what paperwork there is. The line was never built.
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Re: Theoretical Welsh Network

Postby Angus » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:58 pm

."The Vale of Crickhowell Railway Act, 1864" proposed a line to run from a junction with the Merthyr, Tredegar and Abergavenny Railway in Abergavenny then following the River Usk to Crickhowell. An extension was then planned to extend the line from Crickhowell to a junction with the Brecon & Merthyr Railway near Talybont on Usk, thus linking it to Brecon, and to other lines via Talyllyn Junction.
The planned route is through beautiful scenery, but, as has been stated, nothing happened,
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